"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
08/21/2019 at 09:02 • Filed to: None
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"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
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How is the C8 a fraction of the price of the GT yet has similar performance?
both are supposed to do 0-60 in about 3 seconds.
i’d imagine the GT will handle slightly better with lower height 48.6" vs 43.7"
and lower weight ~3300 lbs vs 3000 lbs
the C8 will be way more DD-able with .4 vs 12 cubic feet of storage
~$500k vs $60k.....
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> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:19 |
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Its like comparing apples and oranges where the orange tastes like an apple. This is a spot the Vette has been in solidly for the last 20 years, punching way above it's weight.
AestheticsInMotion
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:20 |
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It's a shame Ford doesn't make a new model to compete in this area
Spanfeller is a twat
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:21 |
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You see, the Ford GT is better looking, it’s a low volume supercar, but specifically it isn’t a Chevy and as such the value goes up ninefold.
chaozbandit
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:23 |
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FWIW the GT is a bargain compared to the last production cars Multimatic has worked on (One-77, AMRB-001).
Thomas Donohue
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:29 |
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If Chevy was going to limit production to ~1300 cars, the price wouldn’t be $60k.
CobraJoe
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:33 |
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How is the C8 a fraction of the price of the GT yet has similar performance?
Expected production numbers.
All other reasons result in “How many can we make and sell each year?”
No dedicated assembly line? It’ll sell fewer and be more expensive. Since it will already be more expensive and rare, add some fancy materials and interesting engineering in there to help justify the costs to buyers, which raises the price again. Since it’s rare and expensive, capitalize on a retro design that increases interest, and raise the price again...
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> AestheticsInMotion
08/21/2019 at 09:36 |
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I’d say that it is a loose loose for them, however
they are dipping their toes in interesting markets now, specifically competing against the wrangler. I
n this case though
,
performance is the selling point.
T
he vette is so good for so cheep, it would
be very difficult to come out with something that would compete right off the bat. The wrangler is really at best a car that is 30 yrs old technologically
where
the vette is on the bleeding edge.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:38 |
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The Same reason you cant price a house by sq footage. I’d wager the Ford is much closer to a track ready GT racer than the Chevy, and if both were entered into a race in their stock configuration the GT would outlast the C8.
Also ford needs to recoup r&d costs, through a much smaller number of production vehicles .
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AestheticsInMotion
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08/21/2019 at 09:39 |
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Ford is competing with the W rangler now? What have I missed?
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> AestheticsInMotion
08/21/2019 at 09:45 |
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Well, I may be being presumptuous, but the bronco is to have 2 and 4 door variants, removable doors and top (at least partial), manual etc.... Apparently no SFA though, so lifts will be more difficult to traverse the unexplored parking lots of suburbia USA.
BeaterGT
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 09:49 |
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And they are both homologation cars! You can actually buy the one without the giant gaps in bodywork though.
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Thomas Donohue
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
08/21/2019 at 09:54 |
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the $1.2 million MkII is helping as well. (~50 of them I think)
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AestheticsInMotion
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08/21/2019 at 10:14 |
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I hope I’m proven wrong, but my heart forsees a crossover with some mild off-road capability. More renagade than Wrangler
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> AestheticsInMotion
08/21/2019 at 10:18 |
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a31079/new-ford-bronco-ranger-details/
This was the article that has me hoping that it is more than that.
Future next gen S2000 owner
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 10:40 |
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CG matters more than height. Cost is related to volume. The C8 will sell into the 5 digit range most years. The GT is only a couple thousand copies and as a FIA rollcage built into the chassis . Development costs must be split among the models. Plus, performance is diminishing returns. You can get 95% of the performance at 75% of the cost. That last little bit is what drives the price up. It’s what drives up costs in racing.
Really though, it isn’t all that expensive to get supercar performance. You pay for the brand/heritage as much as the performance. You can’t ever justify a Ferrari based on performance alone. The Vette and Viper have proven that.
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CobraJoe
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08/21/2019 at 10:40 |
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a31079/new-ford-bronco-ranger-details/
This was the article that has me hoping that it is more than that.
It could be very off road capable and still end up being a flop... Hummer proved that pretty effectively.
benn454
> Spanfeller is a twat
08/21/2019 at 10:41 |
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The GTs rear end is literally a pig's face.
Shift24
> Spanfeller is a twat
08/21/2019 at 11:11 |
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Tapas
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 11:15 |
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Aren’t those Chevy numbers for the top of the line Corvette?
I suspect that version of the ‘vette would be in the ~100k range.
Arrivederci
> Tapas
08/21/2019 at 11:28 |
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Nope - just the $5000 Z51 package on a base C8, so $65k total.
Gerry197
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 11:34 |
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You could say the same for a 60 era Ferrari that’s worth millions, which has performance equivalent to a modern minivan. That’s not the end all of it’s value here.
The Ford GT wasn’t about absolute performance, but for people who wanted a civilian version of a real race track car in limited production.
The current Ford GT is a race car that was toned down for the street. But it was was built for a specific spec/series which limits its absolute performance . I think even the race cars have been restricted to the point the street versions are more powerful.
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Tapas
> Arrivederci
08/21/2019 at 11:42 |
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That’s awesome!
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Arrivederci
> Tapas
08/21/2019 at 11:45 |
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Right? Makes me wonder what’s in store for the GS, Z06 or ZR1.
Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
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08/21/2019 at 12:27 |
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T he C7 has already proven faster than the GT in certain tests.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
Scrolling down that list, looking at the colorized
classes, nearly
every car that performs with the class above is either a Corvette or a Camaro,
and it stays that
way through
the top 35 cars tested!
VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 12:30 |
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There is a shit ton more carbon fiber in the Ford. Every time carbon fiber is involved in a car , the price jumps by a considerable margin. The Corvette engineers were clever with their composites and alloys and wound up using significantly less.
It takes a lot of money to save a car 300 pounds when it’s already as light as modern engineering and requirements allow without sparing no expense.
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Tapas
> Arrivederci
08/21/2019 at 12:52 |
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I think they will add time travel to the ZR1.
There will be a lot of mid engined Corvette’s in Copart for sure lol
superdave847
> OPPOsaurus WRX
08/21/2019 at 16:41 |
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The Ford has a better chassis and the Chevy a better engine